Battling Illness and Finding Purpose
In this enlightening episode, we are joined by Jamie Thurber, a life and business coach whose journey is filled with resilience, authenticity, and transformation.
Jamie shares her story, starting from her diverse upbringing in St. Louis, which laid the foundation for her understanding of different perspectives. She reflects on her career transition from the automotive industry to coaching, driven by her desire to create meaningful change in the lives of others.
As she delves into her health challenges, Jamie's vulnerability shines through, offering listeners a glimpse into her struggles with chronic illness and the journey to find answers.
The episode emphasizes the importance of being true to oneself and the power of community support. Jamie discusses how her experiences have shaped her coaching philosophy, focusing on helping others embrace their authentic selves while navigating life's challenges.
The conversation also touches on the significance of self-care, especially for those dealing with invisible illnesses, and the need for understanding and empathy within our communities.
Jamie's story is a powerful reminder that while we may face obstacles, we have the ability to rise above them and inspire others along the way.
Takeaways:
- Authenticity is crucial in coaching and business; we must be true to ourselves.
- Growing up in a diverse environment shapes our perspectives and understanding of others.
- Overcoming health challenges requires learning to listen to our bodies and honor our needs.
- Support from partners is vital; it's essential for caregivers to understand the struggles involved.
- A warrior spirit means embracing both the good and the bad in our journey.
- The journey of healing is often about addressing root causes, not just masking symptoms.
You can connect with Jamie on her website at: jamiethurber.com
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiethurber
Instagram: @jamie.thurber
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jamiethurber
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Transcript
I've walked through fire with shadows on my heels Scars turn to stories that taught me to feel lost in the silence Found in the flame now we're my battle cry without shame this isn't the end it's where I begin A soul that remembers the fire within welcome.
Speaker B:Back to another episode of A Warrior Spirit, brought to you by Praxis33.
Speaker B:I'm your host, Darrol Snow.
Speaker B:Let's dive in.
Speaker B:Every once in a while, you come across someone that you just know is a good person and someone that you really need to pay attention to.
Speaker B:My guest today, Jamie Thurber.
Speaker B:She's a life and business coach.
Speaker B:She's based out of St. Louis, but she's someone that I have been following on social media for about three years now.
Speaker B:And one of the reasons that I follow her is because she's authentic, she's real, and she's raw.
Speaker B:And those are the definite characteristics and the type of people that I like to have on this show.
Speaker B:So, Jamie, I appreciate you joining me and thank you for doing this.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker A:Thanks for having me.
Speaker B:I did mention I have been following you on Facebook.
Speaker B:Not like stalkerish, where you need a restraining order type, but just your social media posts and the things you do for about three years now.
Speaker B:And I've really seen you grow and your trajectory.
Speaker B:And one of the things I've been in the personal development space for over 40 years, and there's a lot of sharks and charlatans out here.
Speaker B:There's a lot of people who mucky and dirty the waters.
Speaker B:So when I come across authentic, real people, I just have to pay attention.
Speaker B:And, you know, age transcends all that because what you do is valuable and you give light to this darkened space.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Um, but one of the things that I wanted to talk about, not just your coaching career, but some of the things that you've overcame to get here.
Speaker B:Now, you're based out of St. Louis.
Speaker B:Have you.
Speaker B:Did you grow up in the Midwest?
Speaker B:I'm from Iowa, so Midwestern town.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I grew up about 20 minutes outside of downtown St. Louis, and my parents still live where I grew up in Florissant, and I now live about 40 minutes down away from the city.
Speaker A:45 minutes.
Speaker A:So I'm still in the area.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Were you a only child or have siblings?
Speaker A:I have siblings.
Speaker A:I have an older brother.
Speaker A:He's about four years older than me.
Speaker B:So what was it like growing up in St. Louis?
Speaker B:Because I know.
Speaker B:I know what it was like growing up in rural Iowa.
Speaker B:Lots of chaos and trouble if you want to find it, and lots of fun if you want to find that too.
Speaker B:So what was, what was it like in south of our border?
Speaker B:Missouri?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So where I grew up, actually that's a great question that I don't think anybody has really ever asked me on a show.
Speaker A:And it's, it's something that I've come to find out has been really formative for me.
Speaker A:So where I grew up, it was a very diverse neighborhood.
Speaker A:So I learned in my work that a lot of people don't expand beyond people who look like them, think like them, talk like them due to their four in the five to ten mile radius.
Speaker A:And where I grew up, it was so diverse that that wasn't a thing for me.
Speaker A:And I didn't know that it was for other people until I was an adult doing my business in other parts of the country.
Speaker A:So where I grew up, we had a great street, we had lots of kids, so great neighbors.
Speaker A:We, it was a quieter street.
Speaker A:So we played in the road and played, you know, glow in the dark or not glow in the dark.
Speaker A:We called it manhunt, but it was nighttime hide or seek with teams basically.
Speaker A:And I mean, it was just.
Speaker A:I had a great childhood.
Speaker A:My family all lives fairly close.
Speaker A:On the one side, we spent, you know, weekends at my grandparents and my mom and dad were and are hardworking blue collar people.
Speaker A:And so they taught me, my brother, very good morals as far as following your heart or your gut and working hard and taking care of you people you love and being respectful and.
Speaker A:And I think that my brother and I took very different paths, but like, he went the traditional midwestern path.
Speaker A:Like you go to college, you get married, you buy a house, you have kids and you have your career.
Speaker A:And I was like, I don't know what I want to do, so I'm going to figure it out.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But now, you know, however many years later, the baseline of who we are as human beings comes from the, the same core stuff that our parents taught us.
Speaker A:So we had a, we had a good childhood.
Speaker A:My dad worked very hard, he worked nights.
Speaker A:So my mom was definitely tapped in, you know, the majority of the time.
Speaker A:And then she worked that way so that we could have weekends with as a family.
Speaker A:So yeah, I mean, it was good.
Speaker A:I like, like I said, so growing up, St. Louis is a city, but it's not a massive city.
Speaker A:So it has a small town feel.
Speaker A:And then all of the municipalities around the downtown area are really diverse, diverse cultures.
Speaker A:So it did allow for just a different way of growing up.
Speaker A:Like seeing human beings for who they were, not for their color or class or those kinds of things.
Speaker B:I was born in Minneapolis and spent the first nine years in the inner city.
Speaker B:And, you know, I didn't have the fortune of a good childhood.
Speaker B:I had to carry a knife to school at kindergarten.
Speaker B:Was very always aware of my surroundings and who was around.
Speaker B:And then my mom married my stepdad, and we moved to a small town in Iowa where there was no diversity.
Speaker B:There was, like.
Speaker B:It was a really hard transition because, you know, there.
Speaker B:I mean, it was cornfields and Caucasians.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:There was no.
Speaker B:There was.
Speaker B:There was nothing else.
Speaker B:And it's funny, because when I went to college, community college back there, I had to take a Spanish class.
Speaker B:And out of my entire academic career, from kindergarten to my master's degree, Spanish was the only class I ever failed.
Speaker B:And A, I didn't have anyone to speak the language with outside of school, and B, I didn't care if it was a male tree or a female tree.
Speaker B:It was a flipping tree, you know, so kind of attitude there, but the lack of the diversity.
Speaker B:So when I got old enough to move away and I started traveling around the United States, you know, my younger sister, she's like, aren't you afraid?
Speaker B:Like, you live all these different places, Aren't you?
Speaker B:I'm like, no, people are people.
Speaker B:If you treat them nice, they treat you nice.
Speaker B:If you're a jackass, they're a jackass.
Speaker B:It's really pretty simple, you know, so I'm glad that you experienced that kind of diversity growing up.
Speaker B:What led you to want to become a coach for others?
Speaker A:That's a great question.
Speaker A:Well, I had left a career in the automotive industry, so I was working in insurance as, doing insurance claims, and I met a guy that owned a body shop.
Speaker A:And basically what we realized was because I also grew up within a car family, like, they.
Speaker A:My dad is definitely a car guy, and I grew up, you know, watching him work on things in the garage.
Speaker A:And so I had the car knowledge, but I also had the claim knowledge.
Speaker A:And so my boss realized that it would be a really smart move for him to pull me over into the automotive side.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker A:It worked out really well for him.
Speaker A:I learned a lot at that job, and we grew a lot while I was there.
Speaker A:And we.
Speaker A:When we decided to part ways, it was really, like, over an ethics issue, and I was being overworked and things like that.
Speaker A:And I sat with it and I thought, okay, what can I.
Speaker A:What can I do with this knowledge?
Speaker A:Because I had gained so much random knowledge about business management and project management and charity events and all of these different things.
Speaker A:And I realized that I had a knack for it from a young age.
Speaker A:I'm good at seeing like the big picture of all the moving pieces.
Speaker A:And I started doing kind of like one offs for different companies, going in and creating systems for them just to pay the bills at the time, while I was trying to figure out what else I was going to do.
Speaker A:And I found someone online.
Speaker A:Her name is Susie Romans and she's out of Chicago.
Speaker A:And she was helping people figure out how to make money online.
Speaker A:And when I first started I was doing project management, which was really like business management for them, but we refer to it as project management.
Speaker A:And I found out, I found that on my weekly check ins with my clients that all owned their own businesses.
Speaker A:We spent a lot of time talking about how their own life that week or how they were feeling was impacting their team and impacting their businesses.
Speaker A:And alongside of that, while I was doing that professional work, I was doing my own personal development work and going through my own journey of that.
Speaker A:So while that was happening, I found that I was enjoying the conversations with them about how their approach or their status or state of being basically affected their businesses and then therefore affecting how their life is.
Speaker A:And so I started offering just the coaching side without the management side.
Speaker A:And so they do mesh sometimes depending on the client still these days.
Speaker A:But that's what really led to that because I realized that the majority of my clients don't have anybody else to talk to about these things but me, especially my male clients.
Speaker A:And so then it just, you know, snowballed from there because it made me more and more passionate about being able to be the sounding board for people who needed one because they were doing great things, but they didn't always believe it or they didn't always feel worthy of it or like they were doing a good job.
Speaker A:And so being able to be that sounding board, it's just as you know, that purpose is so fulfilling.
Speaker A:And then it's just something.
Speaker A:I think if you're good at it and you enjoy it, it becomes a little.
Speaker A:It's like contagious for you.
Speaker A:You don't want to do anything else.
Speaker B:I know when I started my.
Speaker B:I mean, I think I've been in this industry longer than you've been alive.
Speaker B:40 years.
Speaker A:Like I was a couple years on me.
Speaker B:Yeah, like I have T shirts older than you.
Speaker B:It's like y.
Speaker B:But you Know, I started, you know, listening to like the Zig Ziglars and the John Maxwell's and the Tony Robbins and, and those people and really got impassioned about, you know, the mind and the bodywork and, and how they interconnect.
Speaker B:But I also got a false sense of what a coach needs to be.
Speaker B:So I think it kind of hindered some of my progress as a, as an effective coach because I always felt, you know, you have to be these buttoned up, prim and proper, you know, high level, you know, type of, you know, words and vocabulary.
Speaker B:And it's like, no, you just have to be authentic.
Speaker B:And that's one of the things that I really noticed about you when I first came in aware of you is, man, this girl is just raw and real and effective.
Speaker B:Like, she's got a lot of good stuff.
Speaker B:So where did you get your guidance?
Speaker B:Who was kind of your mentor and what allowed you to just be you?
Speaker B:Because one of the things my wife will always say, she said this multiple years ago, which really changed my business.
Speaker B:She's like, you're asking your clients to show up authentically for them.
Speaker B:When are you going to do it for yourself?
Speaker B:It's like, oh my gosh, like, thanks.
Speaker B:You know, I really needed that kick in the ass right now, but I appreciate you.
Speaker B:But it did.
Speaker B:It really transformed how I interacted with my clients.
Speaker B:So where did you pick that up?
Speaker A:That's huge.
Speaker A:It's been an interesting piece of my journey because there are a lot of people who tell you that to do that if you want to be successful as a coach, and they're just part of that never made sense to me for several reasons.
Speaker A:I think that me being able.
Speaker A:I was brought in as a young woman in business many times and got to see behind the curtain in other people's companies, which is a bless and a cursing or blessing and a curse.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:I've mixed it up.
Speaker A:A blessing and a curse.
Speaker A:Because what I got to witness was that a lot of the things that people were making a lot of money off of wasn't authentic.
Speaker A:It wasn't real.
Speaker A:It was a lie.
Speaker A:And then I'd watch them struggle behind closed doors while telling me that I should do the same thing they're doing.
Speaker A:And so that just didn't match for me.
Speaker A:And I remember finding there's a woman, she's out of Australia.
Speaker A:Her name is Kat Latorzo.
Speaker A:Her coaching business has shifted in the last several years.
Speaker A:So if you go look her up, she's definitely more on a Spiritual, religious path these days, but her core of who she is is the same.
Speaker A:And so especially back then, Kat had bright red hair.
Speaker A:She would always be in gym clothes.
Speaker A:She was cussing.
Speaker A:She was being herself always.
Speaker A:And that was, you know, back before we could go live.
Speaker A:We were just taking a video and posting it or, you know, that.
Speaker A:Making long posts with an image or whatever it was.
Speaker A:And she was someone I got to witness do this lifestyle across the world.
Speaker A:Like, her and her family were nomadic.
Speaker A:They didn't have one place they called home.
Speaker A:You know, it was her and her husband and two kids.
Speaker A:And her biggest message was, if it doesn't feel good, you're never going to make money doing it.
Speaker A:And as much as I want to help people, I also know that I have to generate income or I can't help people.
Speaker A:So learning that was.
Speaker A:Was interesting, too.
Speaker A:But realizing that part of what I was, I would block myself if it was something that I thought I was supposed to do, you know, like a type of course or a type of offer or whatever that the 30,000 so and so coaches online tell you you're supposed to do.
Speaker A:And those things didn't work because they didn't match what I really wanted.
Speaker A:And so when I finally realized that, and I was like, I was doing both, I was saying the really authentic thing, and then I would put out the offer that I thought I was supposed to, and the authentic thing would bring me private clients.
Speaker A:The offer would fall flat.
Speaker A:And so, you know, realizing that, okay, let's take the evidence here and see what.
Speaker A:What works.
Speaker A:But what I've learned over the years, I think, is that what's nice about knowing truly that you're acting from a place of authenticity and integrity, you have to worry about a lot less because there's no.
Speaker A:Like, it is.
Speaker A:It is what it is.
Speaker A:You trust that.
Speaker A:And so when.
Speaker A:And your people feel it.
Speaker A:And so it's also a matter, I think, of not feeling.
Speaker A:Feeling like you need to be liked.
Speaker A:There's definitely a time for that, right, where you're like, oh, I better say the right thing.
Speaker A:Especially, you know, everybody's eyeballs are on you.
Speaker A:And everybody thought I was full of, you know, for so long because I'm younger than a lot of people.
Speaker A:I started my.
Speaker A:I started running businesses.
Speaker A:I've been running businesses for almost 20 years because I started doing it when I was young.
Speaker A:And so I think that as I've gotten older and been doing this online as long as I have especially, I don't care at all, really, anymore.
Speaker A:But there Is a period there that I think the only thing I could hang my hat on was that I knew that what I was doing and saying was what I was practicing.
Speaker A:And I could feel.
Speaker A:I could feel good about that.
Speaker B:If you can hang your head on your authenticity, it's not your job to really be worried about who likes you or doesn't like you.
Speaker B:The right people will find you because they're attracted to you, and your authentic self will resonate with them.
Speaker B:And those are the people you're meant to help.
Speaker B:You're not meant to help the people that you have to be fake and phony with because you're not doing them a full good service.
Speaker B:So learning authenticity at a young age, I think is what helps make you successful.
Speaker B:I want to switch gears for just a minute.
Speaker B:I know because I have followed you for a while.
Speaker B:You've had some health issues, some challenges.
Speaker B:How long have they been going on?
Speaker B:And can you kind of elaborate on what your challenges have been?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's funny, when you said, I've been.
Speaker A:You've been following me for three years, I thought, oh, what an interesting time to find me.
Speaker A:Because it was around that time that I really started speaking publicly about being sick.
Speaker A:And I don't ever really know what to call it.
Speaker A:Besides that, I don't have a specific diagnosis.
Speaker A:I've had a lot of the symptoms I have for about 20 years.
Speaker A:So since I was.
Speaker A:Or more actually I was in grade school, I had a very amazing advocate for a mom who didn't make.
Speaker A:Now I look back at my childhood and the times that I was sick in school and what it affected and think, wow, my mom did such a great job of not making me feel like there was something wrong with me, because I never thought that way.
Speaker A:Looking back, I think, wow, I don't know how that happened, but.
Speaker A:Because I did have to operate differently.
Speaker A:But so I've had.
Speaker A:We don't know, the chicken or the egg really, like, what happened first.
Speaker A:We do know that I had a parasite when I was a kid.
Speaker A:We spent a lot of time in lakes and rivers and camping and stuff like that.
Speaker A:So not crazy surprising that I'm a child jumping into a river and a lake, and I happen to get a parasite.
Speaker A:Like, okay, but what we don't know is if I ever actually got rid of it.
Speaker A:So that it's.
Speaker A:It's kind of that piece where I had to make the decision where I wanted to.
Speaker A:When I started finding answers about different things, I wanted to know, but I had to let go of what started first, because I never probably will know, but it's a lot.
Speaker A:It has always been a lot of GI symptoms.
Speaker A:So what we've discovered has been that my system has had a very long period of time, like over a decade, where it has not absorbed nutrition properly.
Speaker A:So for many of my many years of my life, I could not gain weight.
Speaker A:I'm still.
Speaker A:I'm 5 10, so I'm a tall girl and I like max weight.
Speaker A:Before I went down this like weightlifting journey, which did make me feel a little bit better for a smidge.
Speaker A:Like my max weight was like 122 and just there's nothing.
Speaker A:And I ate so much.
Speaker A:Like it was definitely didn't make any sense.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And the biggest thing was nausea.
Speaker A:So I would be nauseous every day, every morning.
Speaker A:My friends now that have had kids will like, like laugh, but not laugh.
Speaker A:They'll say, God, I don't know how you dealt with this every single day.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I didn't really have a choice.
Speaker A:So what would impact me a lot would be I would get.
Speaker A:I reached a place where overexerting myself, which I've identified as over more output than input for myself, is.
Speaker A:Is really impacts my ability to.
Speaker A:To function as far as at the high level I like to function at.
Speaker A:So I've had to adjust.
Speaker A:I have found some good doctors and some things that are helping over the past couple of years.
Speaker A:But around the time that you found me, I had taken quite a pause like I was when I was sharing.
Speaker A:It was really vulnerable and it was basically me telling people where I had gone because they were used to seeing me post every single day for, you know, the previous seven to eight years.
Speaker A:And so luckily I had built really beautifully amazing clients, like private clients that I was able to keep working with and pay my bills.
Speaker A:But so the things that in would pack me the most would be sleep, it would be energy levels, it would be.
Speaker A:It started to get where my ability to concentrate was much lower.
Speaker A:I could do that for a couple of hours a day.
Speaker A:And that was about the maximum and every time I traveled.
Speaker A:And when I was newer in my business, I traveled a lot for conferences and, you know, going to meet people.
Speaker A:And so because for the first many years of my business, I didn't have anybody locally in the Midwest, like the way of thinking that I was doing.
Speaker A:Nobody around here was thinking that way.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:All my clients were elsewhere.
Speaker A:Like, thank God for the Internet, you know.
Speaker A:But having those symptoms, the thing that was hard was I never had an answer.
Speaker A:No one ever knew what was wrong, they would kind of.
Speaker A:They either blamed it on me and said I didn't eat right or I didn't drink enough water or whatever, that I just kind of learned to exist around it.
Speaker A:And I would push through until I couldn't push through anymore for a week or something like that.
Speaker A:And then I'd do it all over again.
Speaker A:Is really what was happening until it reached a peak that I was like, I can't keep doing this to my body.
Speaker A:There was something inside of me that said, there's something.
Speaker A:Something worse is going to happen if you keep doing this.
Speaker A:Like, meaning some kind of, like, organ damage, really.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Which is really where we were at.
Speaker A:When I finally found a doctor that was willing to look at some things, we were pretty close to that.
Speaker A:Just due to things not absorbing and being able to be dispersed through my body the way they needed to be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I, you know, I relate to a lot of what you're saying because of my wife's illness.
Speaker B:You know, my wife has breast implant illness.
Speaker B:So we were able to define it, but we weren't able to define it for many, many years.
Speaker B:And she dealt with it even prior to.
Speaker B:When we look back at some of the illnesses she's had, she dealt with it even before she and I got together.
Speaker B:But she got really sick three months after we met.
Speaker B:And we've been together 10 years now, and we've been dealing with it.
Speaker B:But she had heavy metal poisoning and caused a lot of the GI issues and a lot of brain fog, and she almost died from the arsenic poisoning that her implants gave her.
Speaker B:So we've been on this roller coaster journey of trying to heal and find answers.
Speaker B:And our medical system sucks because all we got was two years at the Mayo Clinic and hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills with no answers.
Speaker B:Any healing she's done, she's had to do on her own, much like yourself.
Speaker B:And, you know, we've had doctors, and I'm sure you've experienced this.
Speaker B:We've had doctors look at her.
Speaker B:She now, and I say this, she'll match any CIA agent for research she can.
Speaker B:She will find an answer because she doesn't take no for the answer.
Speaker B:And she took these, and she doesn't look at the US Studies because they're a joke, but she looks at these foreign studies, and she took these studies to doctors and said, could this possibly be it?
Speaker B:And we've had doctors literally toss the study across the desk going, nope.
Speaker B:We had one doctor.
Speaker B:She was losing massive amounts of Hair like a cancer patient.
Speaker B:And she was gaining weight unexplainably.
Speaker B:And we had one doctor go, well, women your age start to lose hair, and you can go to the gym for your weight.
Speaker B:And I'm lucky I'm not in jail for throat punching that sop, you know?
Speaker B:But any healing she's done, she's had to do on her own outside of the medical system.
Speaker B:And what sucks for people like you and her, even though your illnesses are different, they're internal.
Speaker B:It's not like you're walking around with a broken leg or an arm, and people can see that you're injured.
Speaker B:It's an internal battle and the mental battle that you face every day.
Speaker B:Sometimes just getting out of bed is your biggest achievement.
Speaker B:Yeah, but people look at you and her, and they go, well, nothing's wrong with you.
Speaker B:You look perfectly fine.
Speaker B:Why are you feeling so bad?
Speaker B:Why can't you do X, Y, or Z?
Speaker B:And it's like, you don't know the effort it takes just to put a fricking shirt on, you know?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It must all be in your head, right?
Speaker B:Oh, we've had doctors say that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, I know it.
Speaker B:It's all in your head.
Speaker A:It is an invisible.
Speaker A:There's a lot of.
Speaker A:There's a lot of variations of an invisible illness.
Speaker A:They refer to it as, you know, because we.
Speaker A:We look normal and healthy, and people like, you look so pretty.
Speaker A:You look so healthy.
Speaker A:I'm like, well, thank you for that.
Speaker A:I do that so that I don't want to, you know, die basically, realistically, you know, that I had to come to terms with the fact.
Speaker A:And thank God that I've been able to find good coaches and therapists that are.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:My coach, Jesse, she embodies an interesting array of skill sets, and so she helps me with somatic therapy.
Speaker A:She helps me with accepting feelings that I didn't ever want to deal with because I could do anything about them.
Speaker A:And that's the levels of frustration that we feel when we go through the medical system and they tell you nothing's wrong with you.
Speaker A:When you feel sick every day or they go in and do.
Speaker A:I've had so many, like, MRIs and different joints with the dye in place and then without the dye in place and then this and that, there's nothing wrong.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, well, it hurts every day, though.
Speaker A:Like, something's wrong.
Speaker A:So all of those years, you know, it takes such an emotional toll that we.
Speaker A:It's like, even if tomorrow every physical symptom that I had went away.
Speaker A:There's still a very large mountain of shit that it has created over the years.
Speaker A:And learning to accept that and be able to look at it and know that it exists for a reason.
Speaker A:That doesn't have to define me, but it exists for a reason.
Speaker A:And acknowledging that frustration is one of the hardest ones for me.
Speaker A:Like, I do it regularly, but because.
Speaker A:And it comes down to what you just said.
Speaker A:I had to admit and know that it was okay for me to admit that just me simply existing is entirely more difficult than anybody can really understand unless they do it too.
Speaker A:So the stuff I have to do to show up every day is.
Speaker A:It's difficult to even explain unless, like, you know, because you're there and you still don't all the way know, but you know better than the majority.
Speaker A:Like, Tony will say the same things about me.
Speaker A:He was like, I'm just witnessing it.
Speaker A:Like, I don't even know the gravity because it's not in my body.
Speaker A:But it is an interesting thing to talk about too, just because it is unfortunately becoming so common.
Speaker A:Because I think people are actually talking about it.
Speaker A:Where before women especially were told, like, this is just part of aging.
Speaker A:You're not eating right your blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Like, there's always all these reasons.
Speaker A:And so that people just accept it.
Speaker A:Or they previously, like, we go decades, decades back, they would get like, lobotomies because people would think they were insane.
Speaker A:And it's like all those things.
Speaker A:I'm like, gosh, I wish we could have tested.
Speaker A:We could have had our functional doctors, functional medicine doctors, test those people because they probably weren't crazy at all.
Speaker A:But it has, for me, been the same journey of learning that I had to be my own advocate and find the few people I could lean on.
Speaker A:But at the end of the day, it is just.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:The difference.
Speaker A:I think, too, that people have a hard time with, that aren't sick, are that this is a healing.
Speaker A:Actually healing the root process, which our country doesn't do.
Speaker A:They're a band aid.
Speaker A:We're a band aid culture.
Speaker A:And so, no, I don't just feel better because I've been seeing the doctor for six months.
Speaker A:Like, that's not what we're doing here.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're trying to fix the root cause and not just the symptom.
Speaker B:And our.
Speaker B:I mean, at one point, I don't know about you, but my wife was on 45 different medications at the same time.
Speaker B:I was spending like fifteen hundred dollars a month out of pocket just on just on her meds.
Speaker B:And all they were trying to do was mask her issues.
Speaker B:They weren't trying to solve anything.
Speaker B:They were just trying to mask it.
Speaker B:And it's horrible that our society is.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:And what you probably found this too.
Speaker B:What we found that works insurances won't cover because it'll heal you and then you won't need to be sick.
Speaker A:They wouldn't even test me for.
Speaker A:I have a very good GI doctor and he did help me with something that no one else had been able to help me with.
Speaker A:And I had been told by another doctor that what it sounds like you have is there's also H. Pylori going on in your system.
Speaker A:You should have your GI doctor test you for that.
Speaker A:And he wouldn't.
Speaker A:And guess who had a raging case of H. Pylori.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I had to find a functional medicine doctor that would be willing to test me for those things.
Speaker A:And the things you learn when you start working with a functional medicine doctor are interesting because you realize like everybody pulls a cbc.
Speaker A:Like I think of my parents, right?
Speaker A:My dad goes to the doctor because of the medication he's on.
Speaker A:I think every six weeks and they pull the same blood work every single time.
Speaker A:And I get why they're pulling it.
Speaker A:But that cbc, while it tells you basically are you going is there like something life threatening happening?
Speaker A:Heart related or liver or a kidney related?
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:But there's so much more they can find out in your blood.
Speaker A:Urine test, dried urine test.
Speaker A:I didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker A:I didn't know that you could test how your hormones shifted throughout the whole entire day.
Speaker A:And that's what you needed to know to find out what was going on with your cortisol.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:When I tell people this, you're like, what?
Speaker A:But then the problem is is you have to go pay a private doctor who's willing to do it or no one will give you the test.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're speaking.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's interesting to me that your illness that they haven't been able to name that you've had since grade school very much mirrors the breast implant illness that my wife.
Speaker B:The cortisone levels, the hormone that's missing to make the nutrition in your food and medications go into your bloodstream.
Speaker B:The brain fog.
Speaker B:And it's funny.
Speaker B:Not funny.
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker B:But ironic.
Speaker B:When my wife was literally two weeks from death, she was.
Speaker B:I had to carry her from room to room and place to place.
Speaker B:Her face was ashen, her hair was almost you Know, almost going all the way out.
Speaker B:And we begged the doctor test for arsenic.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no.
Speaker B:And finally, because we were so relentless, they tested for it.
Speaker B:And on a Friday night we get a call and they're like, Ms. Neves, I wasn't expecting to find this, and I don't know how to tell you, but you have arsenic poisoning.
Speaker B:We're like, no shit.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:And had they not listened to what we were asking to have done, my wife would have died, you know, so.
Speaker B:It's so maddening.
Speaker A:It is maddening.
Speaker A:It's enough to make you crazy, that's for sure.
Speaker B:I do want to ask you, though, before we step into that, you mentioned Tony.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I know, I know my wife says it, so I'm not like patting myself on the back, but she knows that if it had not been for me, she would not have made it through this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:And I know the struggle that it takes on her, but I also know the struggle that it takes on me.
Speaker B:So how long have you been with Tony?
Speaker B:And I love this picture because you're both smiling so greatly.
Speaker B:And how has he been dealing with it?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker A:So we've been together almost 14 years.
Speaker A:We had like one year in the middle that we broke up and got back together.
Speaker A:But we're getting married next year, next November.
Speaker A:And one of the reasons we pushed the wedding out was because I don't want.
Speaker A:I didn't want to have to worry.
Speaker A:I mean, I probably will obviously still have something going on, but I didn't want to feel as bad as I was feeling and then potentially have the day of my wedding, I had to fake it the entire time.
Speaker A:We even planned it around it.
Speaker A:Like, the wedding's happening during the day, it'll be over by 5 o'.
Speaker A:Clock.
Speaker A:Things that will not exert me to the extreme.
Speaker A:But I actually had him on my show a while back to talk about this because people don't talk to the partners.
Speaker A:So every time you've reached out to me, I've told him about it, about what you would say about being in, you know, witnessing what your wife has had to go through.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:So Tony was professional athlete.
Speaker A:He was a fighter.
Speaker A:He is known as one of the most strong minded people in the NHL in a lot of ways.
Speaker A:And this has broken him in a lot of ways.
Speaker A:It's changed him in, in great ways.
Speaker A:He is a very intelligent man.
Speaker A:He knows a lot about health due to his own health stuff.
Speaker A:And so he was an asset to me in A lot of ways of encouraging me to keep looking and being willing to take off work and change things in his company so that we could afford the cost of what we needed to do for the first year.
Speaker A:Especially, you know, he worked more hours instead of hiring another person so that we could pay what we needed to pay.
Speaker A:You know, we altered our lifestyles like I, he.
Speaker A:He's a hermit, would rather be at home anyway.
Speaker A:So me, me needing to be home by a certain time in the evening.
Speaker A:He doesn't mind that party likes but it's been, it's hard and it's also one of the most loving acts I've ever witnessed because I know that it.
Speaker A:He wants to fix it and he can't.
Speaker A:But I also know that when I call him because he's a.
Speaker A:He works outside of our house a lot in the evenings and he hates to have his phone on him.
Speaker A:But so much has changed to where he keeps his headphones in because if I need him sometimes just that walk from our, our bedroom to find him wherever he is outside of the house is enough to make me need to fall like have to sit down on the ground.
Speaker A:So me being able to call him and have him come in and help calm my nervous system down because basically some of the symptoms I think that occur that are similar is because our bodies then become so overwhelmed by whatever the illness is that they all do have very similar reactions because every system is like alert.
Speaker A:I don't know what to do, fight or flight.
Speaker A:Like we're going to die, do something.
Speaker A:And so we're learning some of those patterns.
Speaker A:But thank God that he is understanding enough that he can be in the middle of something and literally drop it and come and sit because he has to.
Speaker B:I will forever give men like Tony kudos and accolades.
Speaker B:And I have never met him.
Speaker B:I don't know him, I just know his name.
Speaker B:But I already appreciate and admire who he is because it speaks a lot to.
Speaker B:We have seen so many family and friends fall away because of her illness.
Speaker B:And it takes a special person, whether it be family, friend or partner, but especially partner to stay with someone who is going through something that there is no answer for.
Speaker B:There is no quick fix for.
Speaker B:There is no outward symptom of.
Speaker B:And you never know day to day whether your life gets to move forward in a positive way or you're going to deal with the shit and you don't know until they wake up which kind of day it's going to be.
Speaker B:Heck, sometimes you don't even know from a next Moment.
Speaker B:So, you know, it takes a special individual to go through that with the person who's already going through it.
Speaker B:And so whatever you can say, tell him, you know, great job, and tell us a lot about his character and who he is as a person.
Speaker B:So what has gotten you through it the most, other than your partner?
Speaker A:Learning to listen to my body, where before I would try to ignore it, I realized that the way I existed for a long time, which is.
Speaker A:It's a very interesting way.
Speaker A:I worked this out somehow on the inside, but I would disassociate just enough to where I didn't feel all of the physical cues during parts of the day.
Speaker A:But I was able to stay in my body enough that my intuition was still able to guide my work.
Speaker A:So I don't really know how that all worked out inside there, but I don't know that I ever will.
Speaker A:I'm grateful that it did, but learning to listen to the basic human need cues.
Speaker A:I will never forget the day that I do have a very incredible psychiatrist.
Speaker A:And I think anybody who's going through any kind of chronic illness needs that help as well.
Speaker A:Like, I have a psychiatrist, I have a coach, I have a therapist.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:They keep me okay in the times that I'm not, you know.
Speaker A:And so I remember him telling me, jamie, this doesn't make your basic human needs have somehow been turned off in your mind as not a necessity, along with you.
Speaker A:Trying to ignore your physical symptoms because you need to get things accomplished is basically what I had created that rule in myself to exist and to be able to work and do what I needed to do.
Speaker A:And so unlearning that and learning to listen, that wouldn't.
Speaker A:Like, my body says, I'm hungry, I go eat food.
Speaker A:When my body gives me a cue that it needs to be horizontal, I get horizontal, okay?
Speaker A:If I need to stretch, I stretch.
Speaker A:If I need water, I need, you know where before I would push it off and push it off and push it off.
Speaker A:Learning to listen to those cues and honor them has been very, very difficult.
Speaker A:It's tested a lot of pieces of my.
Speaker A:What I would have considered my identity for a long time because it required me to sit a lot more than I was used to doing, but also not just sitting because we.
Speaker A:I would sit because I felt like I had to, right?
Speaker A:Because I was not feeling well.
Speaker A:But then I would be making lists, I would be answering emails like all the output was still happening.
Speaker A:So me learning that I needed those spaces of nothing, of just being, which is why some of that shift has happened in my branding is because the doing is always going to be done when you're dealing with somebody like us.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's the being part that takes the more work for me.
Speaker B:Well, you.
Speaker B:Not that you didn't have enough on your plate and it's in, in corporate, in the corporate world, in the corporate side, it's amazing that you were as high level as you were a.
Speaker B:Because it's a man dominated world that you were entering the automotive which already puts, you know, additional pressure and thoughts and whatever in a person's brain.
Speaker B:So to be able to function at a high level in that.
Speaker B:That in and of itself is pretty amazing.
Speaker B:But to not let your illness define you I think is a huge thing that a lot of people with chronic illness and it's something that my wife has also had to learn over the years because she was a caregiver of her parents, she was a caregiver of her son.
Speaker B:She was.
Speaker B:She worked 30 years at the same company.
Speaker B:She did all these things and then she got sick and couldn't do any of those anymore.
Speaker B:You know, her parents have now passed on.
Speaker B:Our son is out of the house and she no longer has a job.
Speaker B:So who is she?
Speaker B:Well, she's someone who's sick and she played that loop back on herself often enough that I think it actually hindered some of her actual getting better.
Speaker B:But once she broke that loop, you know, she started to see progress.
Speaker B:But it's still who am I?
Speaker B:I'm no longer any of these things.
Speaker B:So who am I?
Speaker B:So how did you not let that define you like many people who.
Speaker B:Who suffer these illnesses do?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:It's a complex thing because for me I ignored it or didn't talk about it for so long that I was sitting in this.
Speaker A:How do I acknowledge that this is really happening and let people know so that I don't then feel like a guilty person for not doing XYZ thing.
Speaker A:I'm telling them why I'm not doing it, but also not then be like plant my flag solely in this I'm sick place.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:It's created a lot of frustration.
Speaker A:It's created a lot of what.
Speaker A:What I think at one point I would have described as probably not a good thing.
Speaker A:But I've learned that in this instance it is good for me and it's.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:I would at some point over explain a little bit, but it's what made me be able to feel okay about both parts or the multiple parts of Me that had to exist at the same time, being able to be honest about that up front with people has helped me not let it be who I am.
Speaker A:Because then my other actions show, you know, that it's not the only thing.
Speaker A:But I think that I had.
Speaker A:So I had a moment where I thought, oh my God, what am I going to do?
Speaker A:I built this entire company and brand based off of the way I existed.
Speaker A:And the whole thing was on Operation Do Get Shit Done.
Speaker A:This was like superhuman productive.
Speaker A:I have a course called that.
Speaker A:Like I built this whole thing on that and it was real.
Speaker A:That's how I lived.
Speaker A:It was not pretend.
Speaker A:And then I was realizing I had to realize that I could be both.
Speaker A:And I had a moment where I had this whole like, oh my God, what am I going.
Speaker A:When I do feel better and be able to put stuff out again, what in the hell am I going to say?
Speaker A:And that day I went to get my hair done and I've known the girl who does my hair since high school.
Speaker A:And I just happened to see is one of those places where there's like multiple different small businesses in the same, like they like lofts or whatever they call it.
Speaker A:And I happened to run into a friend of mine and Tony's wife.
Speaker A:So wife and husband and I hadn't seen her in years and I knew she had gotten cancer and because one of the other things that happens when you're really sick is that you.
Speaker A:You learn to not extend yourself in places that you can't.
Speaker A:So as much as I wanted to give her my support, I knew that I couldn't.
Speaker A:So my support to her was like Harding her post, you know, and praying for her.
Speaker A:And so anyway, I saw her that day and we talked about a few things and she said to me, Gabe told me a story and I'll keep it short, but she told me a story about how because her husband owns a company, she takes care of the whole family, she takes care of the company.
Speaker A:And she had a day post chemo where she was expecting to feel good, but that day she just didn't.
Speaker A:There's something in this happens, I think when you have long term sickness.
Speaker A:There's something in you that if you're being alone that day feels almost like it's going to destroy you.
Speaker A:And she explained that to me and that she called her husband, whose name is also Tony, and he came and picked her up and she rode around in the truck with them all day.
Speaker A:And it helped so much.
Speaker A:And I thought that's it.
Speaker A:This is what I have to talk about.
Speaker A:Because she didn't have anyone else to tell that to.
Speaker A:She felt like she did something wrong that day and that that was bad, and she shouldn't have had that emotional reaction.
Speaker A:Why would I have this emotional reaction?
Speaker A:And all I could think was, because you're human, right?
Speaker A:And nobody talks about that.
Speaker A:And so it was a sign for me that realized, you know what?
Speaker A:There will be plenty of people who do not understand what I'm talking about, and that's okay.
Speaker A:And I'm still going to do it, because that is my identity.
Speaker A:My identity has always been that.
Speaker A:I'm going to speak about perspective shifts.
Speaker A:I'm going to share things that might make people see things a little bit differently and help them, therefore, helps other people.
Speaker A:And so this fit into that category.
Speaker A:And it helped me realize that even on the days that I don't do perfect at it, that's also the act of being.
Speaker A:And so I just have to keep talking about it to myself as much as possible.
Speaker B:If you even took it a step further, you.
Speaker B:You went.
Speaker B:And now it's Operation B, the podcast.
Speaker B:So did this evolve out of that, or was this in your works prior to that?
Speaker A:Yeah, so it evolved out of it.
Speaker A:So I had been filming the solo episodes and for a couple of years, and it was under the name Lifestyle Creation Podcast.
Speaker A:And it was all about similar what I was just saying.
Speaker A:I would share things about my health, but I would share about how I worked beyond it, basically, and how I existed with it and things like that.
Speaker A:But most of it was tips about how to be a better person, how to be a better business owner, how to manage a lot, blah, blah, blah, all those types of stuff.
Speaker A:And now when I realized.
Speaker A:And so then when I got.
Speaker A:I took my pause right around the time that, you know, you and I connected, I stopped recording because I was.
Speaker A:I didn't have it in me to.
Speaker A:To come up with what I needed to say.
Speaker A:The words had gotten harder.
Speaker A:Because when that all.
Speaker A:When you're going through some of those protocols, right, your brain gets even more foggy than it already was.
Speaker A:And so I'm like, okay, well, I'm not going to force this, because that's never what I want.
Speaker A:So I paused the podcast and I decided that after that interaction at the hair salon, I decided that it was going to get.
Speaker A:When I was ready, it was going to relaunch it, and it was going to be Operation B, because I used to have a program called Operation do, and so I relaunched it as Operation B. I hired a Different editor to help me and decided that I was going to start thinking about bringing guests on the show because I hadn't before.
Speaker A:And so I just not meaning to find Punchline productions, I wound up helping them with some things and said, you know, what would it look like if I brought guests in to the studio?
Speaker A:And basically like whenever I want to.
Speaker A:I don't, I'm not on a set schedule.
Speaker A:I try to do them every other episode.
Speaker A:One's a solo and the next as a guest.
Speaker A:And we do talk a lot about these kinds of conversations or we talk about how we overcome things.
Speaker A:And a lot of women, I have a lot of women who are in male dominated industries.
Speaker A:So we talk about that and it's become.
Speaker A:What's fun is the people that I've had so far are people I've had in mind for years.
Speaker A:So it's like, I don't know, I'm ever gonna, I don't know if I'll ever run out because I haven't even tapped into anybody else yet.
Speaker A:I've only thought about like I've had my doctor, my coach, one of my best friends, like those kinds of two of my doctors, like those kinds of people on where I'm going.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:When I sat down and wrote out who could be beneficial to what I'm wanting to share, I had a big list.
Speaker A:And so I started checking them off as I could.
Speaker A:But like, for example, last week I was supposed to have a woman I do business with come on as a guest and she has a couple of different chronic illnesses.
Speaker A:And I felt terrible that morning.
Speaker A:And so I made a promise to myself a long time ago that I wouldn't fake it anymore.
Speaker A:So I told her, hey, I would not be bringing my best self to this.
Speaker A:It's not a good idea.
Speaker A:Do you mind if we reschedule?
Speaker A:And I used to be so terrified to do those things and now basically I haven't had.
Speaker A:Very rarely do people react poorly when I do that.
Speaker A:But if someone does, what I remind myself of is that's not my person.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you know, we, we get in our own brain of what we should or shouldn't do and we, you know, if we just ask for grace or help, people are willing to give it, you know.
Speaker B:And I know something that helps you a lot because I see this on your posts is your, is, you know, you love your jeep and you love your dogs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Do you go out and get the little ducks?
Speaker B:The little ducks that they give jeep people.
Speaker A:I was a cool jeep girl before the Ducks were a thing, actually.
Speaker A:So I've had that.
Speaker A:I've had that for a little over 10 years.
Speaker A:It was my daily driver for a long time.
Speaker A:And it is something that, no matter what, still brings joy to me every time I drive it.
Speaker A:I am glad I don't have to drive a six speed down the highway every day anymore.
Speaker A:That's nice because it is wobbly and the wind is not its friend.
Speaker A:But it's a beast.
Speaker A:It can go.
Speaker A:I haven't taken it off road in a few years, but it's set up to rock climb and it does a really good job and it's a lot of fun even just to take for, you know, we live out in the country, so even just to take it for a cruise down the road always makes me smile.
Speaker A:It's a fun, fun Jeep.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:But explain the ducks to those who are not G people, because I've seen Jeeps line their entire dashboard with various rubber ducks or they'll give a duck.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I don't understand it, but it's a Jeep thing.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:I don't even really know how it began, but it was just a very minimal.
Speaker A:You would see people would leave them on your door handle because the way the jeep door handles stick out and they leave a little duck and they used to leave a little.
Speaker A:The first one I ever got had like a tag with it that explained, you know, you.
Speaker A:Every time you.
Speaker A:You can pass it on, right?
Speaker A:It's just supposed to make you smile.
Speaker A:I don't know how people ever started, like collecting them.
Speaker A:I don't know what led to that, but it's definitely.
Speaker A:You park that jeep in a dry in a parking lot somewhere and you come out, there's another jeep parked next to it every single time.
Speaker A:Sometimes there's a duck they've given me.
Speaker A:But it think it becomes just something fun that people are doing for other Jeep owners.
Speaker A:Because people do become quite obsessed with the Jeeps.
Speaker A:Once you get one, it's a thing, it's pretty fun.
Speaker B:But now these guys, they look like they're living their best life right there.
Speaker B:They got the music behind them, they got the bones in front of them, they got the sun on them.
Speaker B:Like, could you get any better than that?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They definitely keep me happy.
Speaker A:So Mia, the darker one, she is about 3 years old, and we got her when I still had my other two dogs, which were actually a massive part of my brand and my business for years.
Speaker A:Bonnie and Mac.
Speaker A:And Mac had gotten cancer.
Speaker A:Well, he got cancer not too long after I got me.
Speaker A:So we had the three of them.
Speaker A:So that was a very public thing that I shared that I think actually led to quite the peak of my health when I really realized that like, okay, something's.
Speaker A:This is too much.
Speaker A:Something is not okay, like to an extent of, of I need to go to like the hospital potentially.
Speaker A:Like, ER was finding out Mac had cancer.
Speaker A:And so we went through treatments.
Speaker A:He had his leg amputated.
Speaker A:He was doing really well.
Speaker A:And then till he wasn't.
Speaker A:And then he left us.
Speaker A:And then we had Bonnie, who I'd had for 15 years.
Speaker A:Oh, no more than that, actually, because I've had her more.
Speaker A:I had her longer than I had than I had at Tony.
Speaker A:So she was with me for a long time.
Speaker A:She was happy and normal.
Speaker A:And then that in the morning and then that evening she passed away out of nowhere.
Speaker A:And so I say often.
Speaker A:And those things almost crushed me for sure.
Speaker A:You know, when you add in those kinds of things into already being sick and it just turns up the dial to such an extreme level.
Speaker A:And so Mia, my, the one that's on the left there, I say she's my saving grace.
Speaker A:Like, without her, Tony would have had to put me in like an institution for sure.
Speaker A:I would have gone nuts.
Speaker A:And so it was a year or so of her by herself.
Speaker A:Our son had moved out at that time.
Speaker A:During that time, both of her friends had died.
Speaker A:So she had gotten quite depressed, honestly.
Speaker A:And then so we bought, we got little Frankie, little Frankie girl.
Speaker A:So she's just a little over a year.
Speaker A:They're best buds.
Speaker A:They play all day.
Speaker A:They're super funny.
Speaker A:Anybody who, they're Boston terriers and they're a trip.
Speaker A:Like, talk about entertaining animals.
Speaker A:They are like little acrobats.
Speaker A:They snore, they're.
Speaker A:They're funny.
Speaker A:And so they're my buds.
Speaker A:Like right now they're in their kennels because we would have not had this ability to have this conversation, but they don't mind.
Speaker A:They go up there and take their naps and they're fun.
Speaker A:We, we enjoy them a lot.
Speaker B:Terriers are very much energetic, high level dogs for the most part.
Speaker B:I want to ask you a few final questions as we kind of come to a close.
Speaker B:Who is the Jamie thurber of today versus the Jamie Thurber of 10 years ago?
Speaker A:The Jamie Thurber of 10 years ago definitely had to thought she had to speak a lot louder to be heard.
Speaker A:And she might have.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That's probably accurate at the time, honestly, you know, Coming into the building a name as a coach, coming out of a male dominated industry into another male dominated industry really and finding my messaging, finding how I shared what I truly wanted to was was the mission then.
Speaker A:And also being very much more concerned about what anybody thought about it than I am now.
Speaker A:The Jamie of today is able to let herself enjoy life a little more.
Speaker A:Know what's really not that important that I thought I used to think was and I think the Jamie of today is in still in a really cool transition period of really, really sinking into the being aspect.
Speaker A:Because what I'm doing now with taking on a little more work is I'm getting to put all that stuff that I spent two years crocheting on my couch, processing and learning about my body and working and healing with my body even though we're not to no symptoms, even though we're not there.
Speaker A:I'm getting to put those things in practice and put myself and my body first while running someone else's company again and my own and my household and that.
Speaker A:So it's a cool opportunity for me to get to put all those things into practice and I've bought into that company.
Speaker A:So it is mine too.
Speaker A:And to get to realize that I can do that and go lay down at, you know, 2pm If I need to.
Speaker A:And that's okay.
Speaker A:And everything still happens where before 10 years ago, Jamie would have thought the world was going to stop turning if she didn't get every single task done before the day closed, even though no one else would have known but me.
Speaker B:Anyway, sounds like a better version to be living.
Speaker B:What do you want your legacy to be?
Speaker A:I want people that I've met and I've impacted to remember that humans are humans and we need to be a little bit more understanding of that.
Speaker A:That doesn't mean we excuse bad behavior, but it does mean that we allow ourselves a little more grace than we normally do.
Speaker A:And by doing that, the ripple effect of us showing up and giving ourselves the permission to show up truly as ourselves and care and be kind and that ripple effect, it does make a difference.
Speaker A:I've seen it.
Speaker B:And this might be similar tied to the final question I'm going to ask you.
Speaker B:What does a warrior spirit or having a warrior spirit mean to you?
Speaker A:Have you ever heard, and I'm sure you have, you're either a warrior in the garden or a gardener in the war.
Speaker A:So when I did my stent in being super heavy in the gym, that's what led me there and to be prepared for life and visit physically.
Speaker A:And I've been.
Speaker A:I've taken a different approach to that lately.
Speaker A:Do I physically feel 100% stable all the time?
Speaker A:Sure, don't.
Speaker A:But do I feel like because I don't give up and because I keep practicing and I keep trying and I keep helping others where I can, that is to me, that warrior Spirit is the fact that, you know, that it's kind of a collection of all of the parts, the good, the bad, and everything in between.
Speaker A:That's what makes it a warrior, in my opinion.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:And I am very thankful that we were able to do this today.
Speaker B:I'm glad that, you know, we finally were able to connect.
Speaker B:And I'm also glad I'll now be able to just call you friend.
Speaker B:And should you need anything from Elsa and I, even if it's just a prayer or a shoulder to hear your voice, we got you.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:I really appreciate it.
Speaker A:This is great.
Speaker B:I had a lot of fun.
Speaker B:And if you would like to connect with Jamie, you can do it on her website@jamietherber.com or on our social platforms, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and also tune into our Operation Be podcast on YouTube.
Speaker B:And as always, I want to thank you for joining us on this edition of A Warrior Spirit.
Speaker B:We're now on all the major platforms as well as on Wednesday evenings at 8 Eastern on Roku via the Prospera TV app.
Speaker B:But wherever you find us, be sure to like or subscribe so you catch all the episodes.
Speaker B:And as always, the journey is sacred.
Speaker B:The warriors yous and remember, be inspired.
Speaker B:Be empowered.
Speaker B:Embrace the spirit of the warrior.
Speaker B:Sam.
