Breaking the bonds of postpartum depression!

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Hey.

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Welcome back to another episode of A Warrior Spirit, where the inner warrior shines in their light, presented by Praxis 33, the company that aligns your thoughts, goals, and actions to create your best life.

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I'm your host, Darrell Snow, and today we're going to be talking with a certified pre and postnatal coach, Amanda Ewers.

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She supports mothers mentally, emotionally, and physically in their postpartum journey in order for them to heal and thrive long after their baby has arrived.

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So we want to welcome Amanda to the show.

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Thank you for joining us and thank you for, you know, taking time out of your day to kick this off for us.

Amanda Ewers: 00:00:47

Oh, thank you for having me.

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Amanda, where did you start your.

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Your own personal journey?

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Where did you grow up?

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Oh, gosh, I moved a lot when I was younger.

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A lot of people say.

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Were you in the military?

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Nope.

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I.

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I spent most of my life on the east coast and North Carolina, where I called home until I moved to Minnesota.

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You.

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How old were you when you moved to Minnesota?

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That's kind of where I grew up, so.

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So I'm fascinated by.

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People actually choose the cold of Minnesota.

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So I.

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I met my husband my junior year of college.

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He was in the military, so we met out on the east coast, got engaged, I graduated from college and we moved to Iowa and kind of trying to figure out career things.

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After the military, we moved to Memphis, and then after having our second child there, we decided to move to Minnesota because he's from Iowa, family's here, he could get a good position here.

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So that's how we ended up in Minnesota, and we've been here a little over nine years now.

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I was born in Minneapolis, and then I grew up in Iowa as well.

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So I have an affinity for those Iowa boys.

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What.

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What was your childhood like?

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Moving around a little bit.

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And what was your.

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What was your upbringing like?

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You know, the very beginning, you know, those foundational years, if you will.

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I was the only child until I was five.

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My mom and dad were together.

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My mom stayed home.

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My dad was a truck driver.

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Had close relationships with my grandparents, great grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, all of that.

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And then my sister came along, and I was really excited.

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I was going to have a little sister.

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And then mom and dad had another baby, so three kids by the time mom was 24.

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So.

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And then when my youngest sister was four months old, my parents split, and that's kind of when things started kind of changing a lot.

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Initially, I was with mom and then moved with dad to Florida, stayed with his mother.

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There he got remarried, had two more stepsisters, so we stayed in Florida for a few years.

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That marriage didn't work out, so we moved to West Virginia with his dad's side of the family, so.

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And then he got remarried again.

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I ended up being able to choose who I wanted to live with at that point.

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I think it was 14, 15, and my mom was living in Virginia beach.

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And so I opted the.

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This summer I went to go visit with her.

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That.

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That's where I wanted to be.

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I wanted to be by the ocean and not in the mountains of West Virginia.

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And so I stayed with mom, ended up between Virginia and North Carolina for a few years, like I said, graduated, stayed in North Carolina for college, and then kind of moved with my husband.

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So I.

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I just kind of went up and down the east coast for a lot of the time.

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And I think that middle school, intro to high school, that was.

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That was pretty.

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That was probably the roughest part of all of that.

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And I think some of that was my younger sisters starting to get a little bit older and.

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And starting to deal with their own kind of things and just kind of knowing where to find that support from your parents.

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But, yeah, just kind of moving around a lot was challenging in itself.

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Most people have a hard time in their teenage years anyway, and it's kind of rare that the children go with their father in divorce.

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So how did that impact the relationship with your biological mom?

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So since you were in and out of blended families and not really living with her for the first middle part?

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Yeah, I remember everything that had any sort of attachment to my mother was priceless.

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I remember kind of really yearning for that relationship with her to be there, and everything was.

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Was a real surprise.

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It was.

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I was at school, and I remember going home early and then my going with my dad, and we were going to Florida, and I was under the impression that we were going for Christmas break.

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And then my grandfather was asking me about books that needed to be returned.

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I was getting enrolled in school, and everything was just kind of happening.

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And I didn't really know what and why or how things were kind of taking place.

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And so I didn't get to see my.

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I just kind of got picked up, taken from mom, and didn't really know how long that was going to be.

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And that.

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That went on for a couple of years, just having a lot of questions.

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And I spent a lot, a lot of time trying to figure out who was telling the truth, you know, whether it was like, how.

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How did I end up with dad?

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You know, where was Mom?

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Why wasn't she here?

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And that was.

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That was really tough.

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I.

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And I didn't.

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My sister was 2, and, you know, I can't imagine what was going through her mind, going through all of.

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All of these transitions.

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You know, she just knew dad, really.

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Yeah, it was.

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It was a lot of navigating and a lot of.

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A lot of questions that I had inside, but I didn't know how to ask what was happening as.

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As a young girl, you know, did you have to develop your own skills in order to, like, maintain friends?

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And I know, I see this in military children a lot.

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And you get, you know, the question, are you a military kid?

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You know, they either make a lot of friends wherever they go, or they become so introverted that they make no friends.

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And it becomes even harder.

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Which path.

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Which path did you go?

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Looking back, I mean, I always tried to make friends, and wherever I was, I always had one or two people that were in pr, were a part of my life, and I.

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I remember their names.

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I remember the things that we enjoy doing.

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But keeping in touch, that wasn't really something that.

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Because every move was unexpected.

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When we.

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When my dad left Florida, I was actually visiting my mom over the summer.

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And when he got us, it was, okay, well, we're not going back to Florida.

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We're going to West Virginia.

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Because we split up.

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Like, those moves were always so spontaneous that I didn't know that I needed to say goodbye.

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I didn't know that I needed to foster that relationship and to take that on.

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And I think once.

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Once I was able to have access to, like, social media and things like that, it's been easier to maintain those.

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Those relationships.

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But that wasn't until, you know, probably my senior year in high school, before that was I had access to anything like that.

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When you're bouncing around, you know, and you ask a question to your.

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To your mom, what does she say is happening?

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What does she explain?

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You know, this is.

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This is where things are.

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Oh, there were so many stories.

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There was this idea that my.

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My father kidnapped us.

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And I.

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I found that so interesting because we were able to be enrolled in school and, you know, stuff like that.

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But when you're younger, you really don't know what to believe.

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You don't know.

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You don't know what you don't know, and the whole legalities and things like that.

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I really just had to educate myself at a really young age and find people that I could trust.

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And I think for a long time I didn't know who those people were because, you know, would my dad's side of the family tell me his story and my mom's side of the family tell me their story?

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But then I had some family members that just didn't want to get involved.

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But my mom was always.

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It was never her fault.

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It was always someone else had done something to cause this to be.

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And that was what I believed for a very long time.

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Which, you know, you as a young person, you want to believe that your parents are being honest with you, and.

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And then you come to find out that I go back to my own situation, and people who've listened to my story understand.

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But I spent 58 of my 59 years believing the lies that my mother told about my biological father.

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And it cost me a side of the family I never even knew.

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It cost me years of being angry at a person who I come to find out didn't deserve that anger.

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It cost me a lot of living my life in a certain way because of the lies that my mom wasn't willing to address or even own up to.

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Even she passed recently, but even up until her passing, she didn't want to admit or address any of the lies that she told my entire life.

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So it creates an entirely different life, you know, and you have been married now for 20 years.

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You are now a pre and postnatal coach, which is helping other women because postpartum depression is rampant in this country and very often not talked about.

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You know, women don't want to say, I don't like my kid, you know, and I don't like my kid not because I don't like my kid.

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I don't like my kid because my brain isn't allowing me to.

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You know, I just interviewed a woman who her mom, the day she was born, was put in her mom's arms and her mom immediately disliked her because she said she looked at her with judging eyes.

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She's a brand new infant just out of the womb, and you're already not liking your child because they're judging you.

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How can they possibly judge you?

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So the biological chemical reaction is real.

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So how does someone overcome all the lies that you've overcame and all the movements that you've overcome to go on to now be a certified pre and postnatal coach?

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I going through my healing process.

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I recently lost my mother as well through this, trying to find out why things happened.

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I lost my sister in: 2016

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And there were a lot of patterns that had taken place over the years.

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You know, the different questions that I had, the answers started to surface.

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And looking back at my.

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My own journey of becoming a parent, I had postpartum depression with my.

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With my son.

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I had it with both, but it was really bad with my son.

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And through that, I had to go through the process of, you know, figuring out, how do I get better?

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Didn't have the maternal support.

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I didn't have the examples other than what my foundation was and how important that foundation was.

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What was different for me than my.

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Than my sisters because their life took a completely different direction.

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What was different for me?

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And I realized that it was the support system.

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And, you know, my mother did things differently when it was just her and I, as far as, like, taking care of herself than later when.

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When my other sisters came along.

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And so just through examining life and, you know, what was.

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What were the things that I did to help heal myself?

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I'll tell you that when I was going through postpartum, how many different medications they tried to.

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To give me to make me better, and some of the just reactions that I was getting, like, one of them I was actually allergic to, and it was just a mess.

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I didn't want to go through that anymore because it was making me feel worse.

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So I had to figure out an alternative.

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And so that led me to become a fitness instructor.

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And even though I was working with these women all the time, we were having transformations.

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We were having all of these amazing things take place.

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There was still something missing.

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There were still families that were hurting.

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There were still some things that I felt like were unfinished.

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And then as my daughter started getting older and I started making connections with.

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With my family dynamics and maybe how I was doing things, all the pieces just started falling into place.

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And I knew that the foundation of the family from the very beginning is going to be much more impactful than trying to heal.

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When you're an empty nester, you're going through retirement or going through a divorce.

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We need to get back to the family foundation and building the tribe for women.

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So that was kind of the.

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The journey that got me to thinking of what direction I needed to go into.

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And how did your husband play into your postpartum?

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Because family dynamics are unique.

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There's no one size fits all.

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We all come into relationships with our own baggage and our own experiences and our own traumas and our own point of healing or not.

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But to deal with the emotional impact that postpartum has, that's hard enough for the woman.

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It's also difficult.

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And this is a Part I don't think a lot of people talk about.

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It's hard for the man, too, because we don't understand why does our wife not like this child that we purposely brought into this world, or why aren't they as affectionate or as caring or as loving, Whatever symptoms is manifesting because of the postpartum.

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So.

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And we don't know because there's not an owner's manual for any of this.

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We don't know.

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Do we mention it to our wife?

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Do we ignore it?

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Do we cuddle her?

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Do we like.

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We don't know.

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So what was, what was the dynamic in your own household with it?

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What was your husband's response and dynamic?

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You know, he always wanted.

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He always wanted kids.

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And so for him, it was, when I'm home, I'm going to take that burden.

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You know, I really dislike using the word burden, but I'm going to take that responsibility and I'm going to.

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To own that right now, because that is going to be.

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It's something that he wanted, and that was a way that he could support me to, to kind of help relieve some of those responsibilities and, you know, cooking and making sure that, you know, I was getting.

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Getting to bed or prepping bottles or whatever it was that he could do.

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He.

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He really did show up for that.

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And it was just us.

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We didn't have a whole lot of family around.

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I don't think he knew how to support me in that space.

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Space, but he knew that some of those responsibilities could give me the space to maybe figure it out.

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And just.

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I think that was the biggest thing, like that was his love language is, you know, the acts of service.

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And so he was very good at doing those things.

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That's one element.

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And a lot of times, you're right.

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Men don't know what they're.

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They're supposed to do.

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And just to give you some, some facts here, one in seven women will experience postpartum depression.

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And 50% of those women, their partners, will experience postpartum depression.

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And we don't talk about that at all.

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We don't talk about the fact that men also experience postpartum depression.

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They don't educate on that.

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They don't check in with partners.

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And there's still a lot of confusion about what is the difference between postpartum, postpartum depression, baby blues and postpartum psychosis.

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Like the.

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There's a lot of education, and that's one of the things that is really important to me is to bring that education and to help Men or partners to, to understand how do I support mom as she's going through this and how do I identify what those symptoms are.

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For.

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For women, postpartum often is a chemical issue.

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Often not, you know, always.

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But for men, we don't have the hormonal, you know, indifference and the hormonal stuff that, that women do.

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So what do you think is there is an element of the men's version?

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Is it the fact that the wife now has this other person that they unconditionally love and dote on versus the man?

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Or do you think it's a byproduct that the woman's going through it?

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So the man is, or you know, what is your professional as a post and prenatal coach?

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What is your professional opinion of that?

Amanda Ewers: 00:22:45

So it's a combination of factors.

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It's, you know, before, before the baby, it's you and your partner.

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And now we have a whole third, a whole third, sometimes fourth, you know, other individual that now I'm responsible for caring for.

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And I, I'm not even connected with my partner right now because I can't understand them.

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So now I'm stepping into this new role, new identity for myself, new responsibility, extra responsibility, lack of sleep, maybe not taking care of themselves because not only are you having that change, but now your partner, the one that, that generally will kind of pick up the slack or support you when you're down, is unable to do that right now.

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And so you're trying to figure out how to show up for you and your, and your baby and how do you show up for your, for your partner who doesn't know how to show up for themselves.

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And so it's this whole dynamic shift that happens and it's a lot about the roles and responsibilities and it's a trauma, it's a, it's a major life event that's that happens and how we are responding to it can help us to identify what it is that we need to do to help each other.

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And that's what I do.

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I come in and I talk with part to.

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With couples to help them prepare.

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So that's the prenatal part.

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What are some things that we can do to set ourselves up so that we have some checks and balances for each other?

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And that's, that's a key part in being able to identify the depression, to identify where it is that I can support, where it is that maybe I need to, to take care of myself more.

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Because yeah, there's.

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You go to that six week appointment, you don't get an hour with your doctor to talk about your feelings and how your partner showing up.

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And a lot of times, the.

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The partner that doesn't have the child will be the one that has to go back to work.

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And by six weeks now you're.

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Now you're adding in work on top of all of these other things.

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And the baby feels like they're still a part of the mother for the first seven to nine months of their life.

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So they're expecting to be attached to mom, not dad.

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And so there's this.

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How come they don't want to be.

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How come they're not responding to me the same way?

Darrell Snow: 00:25:59

Interesting.

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How did you work your way out of your postpartum?

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And who did you reach out to before you had these tools that you're helping other people with?

Amanda Ewers: 00:26:11

So, you know, first I just.

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I talked to my doctor.

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I had a really great doctor.

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And like I said, we had tried kind of some medications, and then I started doing talk therapy.

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So I was able to find a therapist, but that therapist didn't specialize in postpartum.

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And that's.

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That therapist actually made me feel worse.

Amanda Ewers: 00:26:39

And so that's another thing.

Amanda Ewers: 00:26:42

If you're going to go into therapy knowing that the therapist that you're working with actually has some knowledge about what you're going through, because that.

Amanda Ewers: 00:26:56

That was a big.

Amanda Ewers: 00:26:57

That was a.

Amanda Ewers: 00:26:59

It was a setback for me.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:02

But she did mention maybe I try exercise.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:08

And I'm like, I don't.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:10

I've never had to do that.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:11

I was always really tiny.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:13

I never.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:16

I never was in sports or anything like that.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:18

It wasn't something that my family did.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:21

So for me to go to the gym, like, I would be the one that maybe had a Snickers bar in my gym bag, because I just didn't know any better.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:30

And people don't just come up to you and.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:33

And try to help you out at the gym all the time.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:36

And so I.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:38

I tried the gym.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:39

It was a lot.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:40

Trying to take two babies and all of that.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:45

And so I decided I would.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:48

I was up late one night, got an infomercial, ordered myself a Beachbody program, and Shanti told me I could do 30 minutes a day.

Amanda Ewers: 00:27:59

And so I started working out.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:02

And I told my husband, I said, I don't like who I am right now, and if I can take 30 minutes a day for myself and it works, that'll be worth it.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:17

So you can do this with me, or I'm gonna do it by myself.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:22

I just need your support.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:24

And so I had my transformation.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:27

I lost the baby weight.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:29

My mood changed because I started eating differently.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:32

I was prioritizing sleep, sleep.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:34

My husband was doing it with me.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:36

And so he understood the, the work that I was doing.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:41

He was helping me prep my meals.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:43

And so we were.

Amanda Ewers: 00:28:45

Then we had not just the change in our nutrition, the change in moving our body, and just we were making our, Our health and how we were taking care of ourselves a priority, and we were doing it together.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:02

So then we had something for us because the babies weren't eating what we were eating.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:09

They weren't working out with us until they could.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:13

And that was, that was really cool to see what I was doing.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:17

And the kids were like, as soon as Blaze could start crawling, like he tried to do his push ups or whatever.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:25

And it was just, it was really cool to, to just feel differently.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:31

And I said, if I can do this, then I've got to help one woman.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:39

I.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:39

I've got to be able to help another woman out there that's going through it too.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:43

And fortunately, there was another coach locally that was doing the same program I was, and she had a similar experience with postpartum.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:54

And so she and I became really close friends.

Amanda Ewers: 00:29:57

And so now I'm doing personal development, working out, eating good, spending time with my partner.

Amanda Ewers: 00:30:06

And then I started learning about personal development and working on my mindset.

Amanda Ewers: 00:30:12

And that really was a turning point for me.

Darrell Snow: 00:30:16

I think it's always important to be able to do things not only separately, but with your partner.

Darrell Snow: 00:30:23

And we talked about this earlier off camera.

Darrell Snow: 00:30:27

Our children model what they see, and what they see is two parents, in spite of troubles, in spite of conflict, in spite of whatever, coming together and working together and communicating together to overcome all of that, to make life better.

Darrell Snow: 00:30:45

And I think that models a good example that you don't even have to speak about in your household.

Darrell Snow: 00:30:55

The children see it, they feel it, and they understand it.

Darrell Snow: 00:30:58

I mean, you just said your son is trying to do push ups.

Darrell Snow: 00:31:03

He doesn't even know what a push up is, but he sees what his parents are doing.

Darrell Snow: 00:31:06

But he also sees the connection and the communication, and he sees the mood change between.

Darrell Snow: 00:31:13

He may not see it, but.

Darrell Snow: 00:31:14

But he feels it for sure.

Darrell Snow: 00:31:16

The mood change between how you interacted with him when you were depressed and how you interact now as a more healed couple.

Darrell Snow: 00:31:26

Do you find that the relationship, even with your children has improved because of all that?

Amanda Ewers: 00:31:33

Oh, absolutely.

Amanda Ewers: 00:31:34

And it's been really cool because my son, he's.

Amanda Ewers: 00:31:42

He's a lot like me.

Amanda Ewers: 00:31:43

And I get compliments from teachers, from, you know, parents of people that he goes and, and visits with friends of just how respectful, how polite and, and kind and that he is.

Amanda Ewers: 00:31:59

And anytime that maybe I'm feeling down about myself or, or being self critical or whatever, he's always repeating back to me the things that I'm saying to my clients.

Amanda Ewers: 00:32:16

The, the, the things that I'm, you know, putting in my journals.

Amanda Ewers: 00:32:20

The, in.

Amanda Ewers: 00:32:22

They are listening, they are picking up on these things.

Amanda Ewers: 00:32:27

And even my daughter will say, mom, I've got a, a friend that's, that's going through this and I told her that she should talk to you.

Amanda Ewers: 00:32:36

So anytime her friends are going through rough things, she's like, you should talk to my mom.

Amanda Ewers: 00:32:41

She helps, she helps people.

Amanda Ewers: 00:32:43

And so to see, I, I was actually at a conference a year ago and was kind of sharing what I was thinking with, with making a shift with home and healing that my kids are old enough now for me to see the impact that my personal development has made on them.

Amanda Ewers: 00:33:11

We don't always see and get that immediate reward as parents and we don't always know whether we're doing it right or wrong because there is no instruction manual.

Amanda Ewers: 00:33:25

However, learning how to take care of yourself is demonstrating to them the behaviors that they should be doing because they'll see how you're showing up in the world.

Amanda Ewers: 00:33:43

Are you showing up as someone who's positive?

Amanda Ewers: 00:33:47

Are you showing up as someone who can adapt to change?

Amanda Ewers: 00:33:50

Are you sure?

Amanda Ewers: 00:33:51

Are you showing up as someone who can, can get up and do things with them?

Amanda Ewers: 00:33:58

They see that what are the things that you're doing that allows you to do that stuff?

Amanda Ewers: 00:34:06

And they will be really quick to call me out if I'm not showing up because they know what it looks like when I am.

Darrell Snow: 00:34:15

Isn't it always fun when our children throw our own words back at us to keep us in check and we don't get to be mad about it because we said it, we implemented it and we profess it to them.

Darrell Snow: 00:34:31

And it's rarely a thing where you go because I told you so.

Darrell Snow: 00:34:38

No, this is what you've shown in the, this isn't how we behave when, when these things happen.

Darrell Snow: 00:34:43

It's always funny when they school us back.

Darrell Snow: 00:34:47

So I'm amused at that because I've seen it with my own kids and whatnot.

Amanda Ewers: 00:34:54

It hurts for a second.

Darrell Snow: 00:34:55

It does hurt for a second.

Darrell Snow: 00:34:57

And you're like, damn it, he listened.

Darrell Snow: 00:35:03

But I'm going to ask you kind of a deeper question because as we mentioned, things aren't a one size fits all solution for where people are.

Darrell Snow: 00:35:15

But there has to be kind of a general.

Darrell Snow: 00:35:19

Like, I know with my psychology degree that people are different in all phases, but in 3,000 years, we're still asking the same question, why am I here and what's my purpose?

Darrell Snow: 00:35:31

Like, we haven't evolved that much to where the underlying arc isn't somewhat similar.

Darrell Snow: 00:35:38

So in what you do and how you help both men and women, I'm presuming the context to which you do it before the baby's arrived versus after the babies arrived has to be a little different.

Darrell Snow: 00:35:57

So how do you work with people before the babies arrive to avoid some of these things that might arise after the baby arrives?

Amanda Ewers: 00:36:08

So before baby arrives, we really have to identify what are, what are the current practices?

Amanda Ewers: 00:36:19

Has it been a healthy pregnancy?

Amanda Ewers: 00:36:22

Have there been turmoil in the relationship?

Amanda Ewers: 00:36:26

Are there things that we need to tackle now before the baby comes?

Amanda Ewers: 00:36:33

A lot?

Amanda Ewers: 00:36:35

I don't want to say a lot of times, but it still happens more frequently than we like to see.

Amanda Ewers: 00:36:41

Couples will think that having a baby will fix the relationship.

Amanda Ewers: 00:36:46

Now if we've come into this with that thinking, then obviously there's something in the relationship that isn't working and bringing the child into the relationship is not necessarily going to fix that.

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:03

So it's, it's helping couples to identify what it is that we need to take care of before we have this added component in our relationship.

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:14

So are we communicating with each other?

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:19

Is that something that we're good at?

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:22

Do we need to learn some other ways?

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:26

Are there some, some ways that we can start identifying responsibilities?

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:35

And another thing is when it's time for those difficult conversations, maybe like childcare, for example, do we know what we expect from that?

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:49

What if mom wants to take some extra time and stay home?

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:55

Is that feasible?

Amanda Ewers: 00:37:56

So it's really just sitting down and having some of those conversations so that it's not okay?

Amanda Ewers: 00:38:02

Well, now we have a baby and we should have talked about all this stuff.

Amanda Ewers: 00:38:05

It's kind of like premarital counseling, but like pre, pre birth counseling, I like to say.

Amanda Ewers: 00:38:14

So those are just important conversations that we have to have and we don't always think, think about.

Amanda Ewers: 00:38:20

And it truly will change how your partner shows up in the relationship after the baby is born.

Darrell Snow: 00:38:31

Yeah, and I love your, I love the name of your company, Home and Healing.

Darrell Snow: 00:38:35

Because it isn't just the healing part, it is the home part too.

Darrell Snow: 00:38:38

And you said something that caught my attention about, you know, couples having a child to try to save Their marriage.

Darrell Snow: 00:38:46

My daughter is not biologically mine.

Darrell Snow: 00:38:49

She's mine through a marriage prior to my current wife.

Darrell Snow: 00:38:56

But her mom and her biological dad had her in order to save their marriage.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:09

And it didn't.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:10

It made it worse.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:11

It made it so that she started off from the jump in an abusive relationship, in an abusive situation.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:19

So it didn't save anything.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:22

It brought another entity into this world that was then neglected and abused.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:28

And I think you have to be very careful to think that anything other than healing yourself and communicating with your partner is going to save your relationship.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:45

A dog won't do it.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:46

A pet won't do it.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:47

A child won't do it.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:49

It has to be internalized and dug deep in there.

Darrell Snow: 00:39:53

It cannot be some extra thing that you bring into the situation because you're already in stress and now you're bringing more stress.

Darrell Snow: 00:40:01

Do you think if you and I are arguing that.

Darrell Snow: 00:40:03

That a crying baby in the background is going to really improve it?

Darrell Snow: 00:40:07

No, it's just going to add more chaos and stress.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:10

Yeah.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:11

You know, what.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:12

What is that routine that you're going to develop for each other, you know, if.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:16

If you know that.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:19

So dad has, you know, four weeks of leave.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:23

Okay.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:25

Is he willing to get up in the middle of the night?

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:28

Are you going to have a couple of nights where.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:31

Or a couple of days where you let mom sleep in?

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:34

I mean, those are things that we really should talk about.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:37

We should have some.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:39

Some sort of level of responsibility that I can expect.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:45

Like, even now, I know that my.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:48

My husband, his.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:49

His schedule is different than mine.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:52

And so there are some mornings where, you know, he's not here, and so I get up with the kids.

Amanda Ewers: 00:40:57

But then if he's here, he gets up with the kids and lets me have, you know, another hour or so to sleep.

Amanda Ewers: 00:41:04

That's something that we developed early on, and it has still carried through even now as the kids are, you know, becoming teenagers.

Amanda Ewers: 00:41:15

And so that's something that is good for your relationship.

Amanda Ewers: 00:41:19

And, you know, off camera, we were talking about there's going to come a day where the children are no longer in the home.

Amanda Ewers: 00:41:29

So how do we make sure that this baby does not change our relationship, that it enhances our life?

Amanda Ewers: 00:41:38

And how do we bring the things that brought us together?

Amanda Ewers: 00:41:43

How do we make sure that it keeps us together?

Amanda Ewers: 00:41:46

And those are, again, they're just important conversations to be had.

Amanda Ewers: 00:41:52

And that's just one element of the services that I provide.

Darrell Snow: 00:41:57

If you were to speak directly to someone right now who was going through whatever it is they're going through, what would you advise them when it comes to the relationship and the pre and postnatal part of being together?

Darrell Snow: 00:42:16

Obviously, you know, it's not a one size fits all.

Darrell Snow: 00:42:18

Everyone's unique.

Darrell Snow: 00:42:19

But again, that underlying thread, what would you.

Darrell Snow: 00:42:22

What would be your best advice that Amanda would give an initial client?

Amanda Ewers: 00:42:29

You have to check in with each other, like truly check in with each other.

Amanda Ewers: 00:42:35

I've heard some couples do, like money date nights where they will have a date night to go over their finances.

Amanda Ewers: 00:42:46

And that's difficult to do to start out, because sometimes, like, we haven't really been talking about this and we need to.

Amanda Ewers: 00:42:56

And so it's kind of breaking the ice.

Amanda Ewers: 00:42:58

And then it just becomes something that you build into your routine.

Amanda Ewers: 00:43:03

Maybe Thursday nights you have a glass of wine or, or water or whatever it is that you partake in and you just sit down and you talk about the things that need to be talked about.

Amanda Ewers: 00:43:14

And that's your mental health too.

Amanda Ewers: 00:43:20

Men don't always have the space to talk about what they're feeling, especially in the workplace.

Amanda Ewers: 00:43:27

And so there may be dynamics that they're dealing with at work.

Amanda Ewers: 00:43:32

If they're going through training, if they have the new supervisor, if there's a project deadline, if something is rumored about the company changing stuff.

Amanda Ewers: 00:43:45

You know, we had just had, you know, the looming government shutdown.

Amanda Ewers: 00:43:49

I mean, there's a lot of stuff that men will keep inside and not necessarily share.

Amanda Ewers: 00:43:56

And same with women, because women will say, I'm supposed to be able to do all of these things.

Amanda Ewers: 00:44:04

Society tells me I'm supposed to be this amazing mother that can, you know, bake cookies and be the PTO mom and this and that.

Amanda Ewers: 00:44:15

And, you know, I'm supposed to make sure that my baby looks a certain way all of the time.

Amanda Ewers: 00:44:19

And oh my gosh, it's.

Amanda Ewers: 00:44:24

It's not like that.

Amanda Ewers: 00:44:27

It's so raw and real and we need to just have a time where maybe it's just a 10 minute check in, it's just the two of you.

Amanda Ewers: 00:44:37

Maybe you lock yourself in the bathroom and say, really, how are you?

Darrell Snow: 00:44:43

Your similar methods for what you do and what I do is the same because it does come down to, and I say this to my clients as well.

Darrell Snow: 00:44:58

You have to date your partner entirely throughout your partnership.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:06

You've made it to 20 years, I've made it to 10 years.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:09

It isn't because we just stopped dating each other.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:13

It's because we kept dating each other.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:16

We still dance in the rain and sing songs while we're doing Dishes and, and little silly things.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:22

It doesn't have to be the, oh, I'm taking you out to a dinner and movie all the time.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:27

But it's, you know, I'll go fill my wife's car up with gas, you know, instead of buying her flowers.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:34

The gas means more in these prices, you know, but it's the, it's the continuous dating process that keeps the relationship with or without children.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:47

Because if you're in a relationship that doesn't have children or can't have children, that's going to be for the rest of your relationship.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:53

And if you're in a relationship that does have children, you didn't start off with the children and they're going to be gone.

Darrell Snow: 00:45:59

So you're going to still be stuck with each other after the children are there.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:03

So you have to build that foundation of, I can't always like you, but I have to always love you.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:14

But love fades and wanes.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:17

And if there wasn't a strong enough ember there to re.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:20

Spark once it fades, it's going to die.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:23

So you have to keep fanning that flame in order for it to relax.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:28

And I say this to clients all the time, your partnership cannot be a 50.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:34

50.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:35

What if I don't like the 50% you're giving?

Darrell Snow: 00:46:39

It has to be a hundred.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:40

A hundred.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:41

Because then I'm giving fully of myself to you, and you're giving fully of yourself to me and each other.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:50

Like two halves don't make a whole, two holes make a whole.

Darrell Snow: 00:46:56

You have to work on it from that standpoint, in my humble life's opinion.

Darrell Snow: 00:47:02

Yours?

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:02

Yeah.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:03

And so the, the question is, what do we do when.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:07

When we can't show up in that capacity?

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:10

And how do I identify that I'm not showing up, you know, and how do I have this conversation?

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:19

Because I still find women are just going through it and they don't even real.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:25

They're just.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:26

Well, this is just a part of my life that I'm.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:28

I'm just learning to navigate.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:30

And, you know, it's.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:33

Maybe it's always been this way.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:35

Well, you don't know what you don't know.

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:37

And so my hope is that at least if there's women out there that are questioning, is this how I should be feeling?

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:49

Should I have a conversation with my doctor?

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:52

What are the questions I need to be asking?

Amanda Ewers: 00:47:55

What, what are some questions I should be asking my partner and how, how might I communicate with them?

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:04

What I need, that's what I hope to help facilitate for women, is maybe I give you the list of questions that you can fill out and that you can take to your doctor.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:17

So then it's.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:18

You're not sitting there trying to.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:21

To think on the spot of all these things.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:24

Maybe, maybe you just.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:25

You have it.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:26

And, you know, these are the things that they're looking for, and these are the things that are affecting you.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:33

And so you're already going in prepared to have this conversation.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:38

You're not trying to, you know, go through all of these things and then have to make another appointment.

Amanda Ewers: 00:48:44

Go to the appointment armed with information and get your partner to go with you, because they're gonna see patterns that they're just chalking up to hormones, new baby, right.

Amanda Ewers: 00:49:03

Like, yeah, she's not the same.

Amanda Ewers: 00:49:04

But if we're talking six, eight weeks after you've already had the baby, you need to be having a conversation with your doctor that's talking about postpartum depression.

Amanda Ewers: 00:49:16

But postpartum itself is a full year after you have a baby.

Amanda Ewers: 00:49:22

That first year is called the postpartum period.

Amanda Ewers: 00:49:27

And for seven to nine months of that, the baby is wanting to be attached to mom.

Amanda Ewers: 00:49:36

And so how do I go back to work and how do I, you know, like, there's.

Amanda Ewers: 00:49:42

There's so much more than just the depression piece of it.

Amanda Ewers: 00:49:47

It's, how do I navigate this new phase of my life, and how do I show up for my partner and my baby without losing my identity?

Darrell Snow: 00:50:00

Yeah, we.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:02

My wife is.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:06

When we met, three months after we met, she got crossed chronically ill.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:11

And she's been trying to overcome that for the last 10 years.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:15

And one of the things that I've had to remind her of frequently is that your hundred percent today may look differently than your hundred percent tomorrow.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:28

You're going to be at different levels.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:30

But as long as you're giving your 100%, whatever it is that day, that's good enough.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:35

Because then you're showing up the best you can.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:39

Your hundred percent isn't always going to be elevated all the time.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:43

And with your illness, it's going to be.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:46

Some days, just getting out of bed is all you can do.

Darrell Snow: 00:50:50

And I think it's very important for partners in what you're dealing with to understand it's very similar.

Darrell Snow: 00:51:00

Some days, just getting out of bed is their hundred percent.

Darrell Snow: 00:51:04

And you have to be willing to meet them wherever that is so that they don't add to the guilt of, gee, I couldn't do this or I couldn't do that.

Darrell Snow: 00:51:12

No, you gave what you could today, and that's good.

Darrell Snow: 00:51:14

Enough.

Darrell Snow: 00:51:16

I think that's a important distinction that both partners need to understand.

Darrell Snow: 00:51:22

You're not always here.

Darrell Snow: 00:51:25

Some days you're up and down, but give whatever that 100% looks like for that day, you know, and have that communication around it and that understanding around it.

Darrell Snow: 00:51:36

So do you agree with that?

Amanda Ewers: 00:51:39

Yeah, I, when I'm teaching my fitness classes, I tell it, I tell everyone, show up with the, with the body that you woke up with today because you're strong yesterday might not be your strong today.

Amanda Ewers: 00:51:54

And it's the same thing.

Amanda Ewers: 00:51:56

Show up in the level, the capacity that you have for that day and it might not be what you think is your, your hundred percent with no things, you know, impacting that, but you're 100% today.

Amanda Ewers: 00:52:16

Like, this is what I have to give today.

Amanda Ewers: 00:52:20

And sometimes it might not be much, but it's everything that you are capable of showing up for.

Darrell Snow: 00:52:29

And that leads me into the final question that I ask all my guests.

Darrell Snow: 00:52:36

What does a warrior spirit or having a warrior spirit mean to Amanda Ewers?

Amanda Ewers: 00:52:46

Warrior to me is being able to deal with the battles that show up, whether it's mental, physical, emotional, and knowing that arrows are projected forward.

Amanda Ewers: 00:53:13

That's where I'm going.

Amanda Ewers: 00:53:15

There's always going to be something that wants to pull me back, but I'm not going that way.

Amanda Ewers: 00:53:21

And so the warrior spirit means that I'm going to continuously, even with the resistance, I'm going to be moving forward.

Darrell Snow: 00:53:35

Well, I think forward, I mean, what's that adage?

Darrell Snow: 00:53:39

The windshield is bigger than the rear view mirror for a reason.

Darrell Snow: 00:53:43

Too many of us try to live in our past and we drag that into our present.

Darrell Snow: 00:53:48

And that is not the ideal situation to be in and to go so forward.

Darrell Snow: 00:53:55

ly as we go into the new year: 2025

Darrell Snow: 00:54:02

And Amanda, I appreciate you for joining us today and helping propel somebody, hopefully from where they are to where they want to be and, and move them forward as well.

Amanda Ewers: 00:54:14

Thank you so much.

Amanda Ewers: 00:54:15

And if you, if you don't mind, I'd love for anyone that's listening to Visit my website, homeandhealing.com and there I have a free resource for you.

Amanda Ewers: 00:54:29

It's called the Nests Guide.

Amanda Ewers: 00:54:31

And it really could be used by anyone, not just science, someone that's going through pre or postnatal.

Amanda Ewers: 00:54:39

It is, it is literally the foundation of how to take care of yourself.

Amanda Ewers: 00:54:46

And so if it can help you or anyone you know, please tap into that resource.

Amanda Ewers: 00:54:51

It's a free download.

Darrell Snow: 00:54:53

Well, I appreciate you doing that.

Darrell Snow: 00:54:54

And I do have your contact information up on the up on the screen.

Darrell Snow: 00:54:59

And for those who are listening on the audio podcast, the social media links are in the description notes so you can connect with Amanda@homeandhealing.com or any of her social media platforms, Facebook, LinkedIn and YouTube.

Darrell Snow: 00:55:17

And we just appreciate all that you do.

Darrell Snow: 00:55:22

And once again, we thank you for joining us on this edition of A Warrior Spirit.

Darrell Snow: 00:55:26

opel yourself forward to make: 2025

Darrell Snow: 00:55:34

Thank you for joining.